Curse

Kha · May 19, 2006, 10:49 PM // 22:49

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Originally Posted by Weazzol

Heh, I have about 40 skill points, but no money to use them...wish I could sell you a few!

I wish I could sell skill points too. The 128 on my monk alone is just a waste. He's only missing one monk elite cause I'm too lazy to go get it, and the only skills he doesn't have are Faction ones that I don't really see as useful. Not really my thing to spend a plat each for skills I may never use. It is better than how it used to be, but it's still lacking.

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Originally Posted by dansamy

Yes, 1k/skill is way too much. If they're gonna give me a skill point as reward for the quest instead of giving me skills, then they should give me 1k to buy the skill with my skill point.

Yeah. Or maybe a token or something that can be used to get a skill instead of using plat.

Mimi Miyagi · May 19, 2006, 10:49 PM // 22:49

When you look at it as 1K for a skill, sure it's not that much money - but when you look at the entire skillset of well over 500 skills, that's a crapload of money, not to mention having to expend all that time farming for it, gaining skill points, etc.

There are just too many stupid money sinks in this game that the "average" player can't afford. Keys, Armor, Crafting Materials, Skills, Cap Sigs, Dwarven Ale, dyes, etc all add up to huge amounts of cash flow - and the game relies on the player economy too much to make sure that wealth is more venly distributed.

I'm not a poor player, but even with about 300K in the "bank" I still feel the pinch of all these skills that need to be paid for. I've resorted to only paying for skills as I gain money via normal play - that is, when I'm not having to buy keys for chests that rarely offer anything worthwhile.

Angel Develin · May 19, 2006, 10:58 PM // 22:58

I think it should be cheaper to make another character. what if I delete 1 character, lets say warrior, and I make another warrior! the warrior skills I have allready unlocked should be cheaper for the second time.

lg5000 · May 19, 2006, 11:29 PM // 23:29

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Originally Posted by Mimi Miyagi

I'm not a poor player, but even with about 300K in the "bank" I still feel the pinch of all these skills that need to be paid for. I've resorted to only paying for skills as I gain money via normal play - that is, when I'm not having to buy keys for chests that rarely offer anything worthwhile.

Wow, the most I've ever had was 100k (and that was an accident) and yet, my 4 tyrian characters have all their primary professions skills (both tyria and cantha) + all primary profession skill elites from tyria. One of those characters has primary everything including elites, secondary tyria line completly unlocked, and I'm currently at 110 elites. Guess it shows why I'm not a person who has a lot of money in storage.

I also rarely buy keys as keys rarely produce anything worth while, I'd rather spend that money on skills/weapons or armor (which, in itself, is a luxury item after you get 1 max armor set).

ERMC · May 19, 2006, 11:31 PM // 23:31

it's just the way factions is set up. In chapter 1 quest gave you skills none do in chapter 2 once u leave the island. In chapter 1 you were even given 2 cap sigs for free (well when you did the quest) and not in chapter 2. The fact that buying all the line for your respected class (i do that for PvP because it is faster and cheaper then to earn the faction to unlock them IMO anyway) and the skills you want for your second and if you are like me you will switch second classes alot plus buying armor just the reg 1.5k versions and i myself carry more then 1 set of armor for my characters for different situations plus the cost of weapons if you are not lucky enough to get a good drop. Yes you can always get a collectors but then you would have to buy mods which cost alot. Runes of course and it all adds up. Chapter 2 characters already have alot to buy without the skills but when skills aren't quest rewards like chapter 1 it's alot more of a dent then it was in Tyria.

when i took my Tyrian characters over it wasn't to bad because they had plenty of money and skill points to get all they wanted (all three of my PvE characters have all skills for the main class including elites) Now i have a Rit that i made and the first thing i noticed is i can't sit there and hit buy buy buy to the skill trainer because my rit doesn't have 180+ skill points. At the current amount of gold i have 165k i can afford my rit but i can not make another chapter 2 character yet because i wouldn't have enough for both and 1 of them would have to sit and wait.

so yeah 1k is alot when you don't have quest reward skills, if skills were quest rewarded it would be alot better.

Sir Skullcrasher · May 20, 2006, 12:20 AM // 00:20

1k per skills is too much for some. I mean, you can farm 1k or more if you found a good farming spot but peoples only buy those skills that is useful for them. Also conside that characters that is from Tyria who go across into Cantha, some of those skills that is availabe to buy has the same damage or conditions as the one in Tyria.

Quinn Falcon · May 20, 2006, 12:21 AM // 00:21

I was never an avid player either, to me a great deal of enjoyment came from just making builds and putting them through their paces occasionally.

Now with my lack of accumulated play time and 6 skill hungry characters to feed, factions skill buying is seeming insurmountably expensive. To put it in perspective, I'm abnormally poor, if I ever found time to play guildwars in the past I would feel like I was wasting it if I ever tried to farm for more than 1 run and I've always despised player economies, again for feeling like wasted time and only seems enjoyable for the more materialistic personality, so I've never traded any items, though I've not found any valuable items worth 20k+ as far as I know.

So I guess it may be self inflicted in some way, however it is not being poor for the sake of being poor. I hoard any kind of drop that I get through normal play like a pack rat, even identifying the white items to get those extra pennies from the merchant. But the two more profitable alternatives bore me to tears and I couldn't bring myself to waste time for the sake of parts I do enjoy.

Mtank325 · May 20, 2006, 12:35 AM // 00:35

Reward us with cap signets and make us go cap all skills from bosses therefore adding a new dynamic.

Or something.

Ogg · May 20, 2006, 12:39 AM // 00:39

1K/skillpoint is not too much.

Even without farming in Factions I can get several hundred gold in short time. If you start to run faction-repeatable quests, you get lot more.

And remember that it isnt 1k/point from the beginning. You start with skills costing far less than that.

Do the quests and missions and you get more than enough gold to buy all your primary-skills and bunch of secondary-skills in addition to armor.

tick tack toe · May 20, 2006, 12:55 AM // 00:55

^ YOU ARE RIGHT!!!! i have 56 skillpoints and they cost 90gold for skills now

can you belive it or not i only baught 1 skill for my necro? correction 2 skills 100 gold

(2 caps)

Lateralus · May 20, 2006, 12:55 AM // 00:55

Nope, this game is allready easy enoughf as it is.

lyra_song · May 20, 2006, 01:04 AM // 01:04

nobody seems to remember when the price of skills WASNT capped a 1k and would keep rising per skill you bought....

tick tack toe · May 20, 2006, 01:08 AM // 01:08

as i said it costs me 120 (not 90) gold to buy due to the fact i baught 2 caps.

samifly · May 20, 2006, 01:15 AM // 01:15

Skills should not be a money sink. Yeah it didnt use to be capped, but the progression was slower. also in prophecies you could get half of your skills for free. 1k is a bit too much to ask for, when you are buying all your skills. its 25k alone to buy the new, non-duplicate core skills. And I'm really dreading the bill my ritualist and assassin will be getting. Either let us turn in those commendation thingys for a skills, or give us more money or something. please!

byteme! · May 20, 2006, 01:16 AM // 01:16

1k per skill point to me isn't much. Never had a problem with money as far as buying what I need.

Autumn_Leaf · May 20, 2006, 01:27 AM // 01:27

i think that anet should lower the skill cost in some way maybe max it out at 500g per skill and 1k max for skill cap(xince its for elites)

People have to relize that the skill cost increase was most likely implemented because of overfarming and was used as a gold sink this unfortuneatly has raised the taxes on the average joe.

EDIT: i dont know how people are having trouble with having skill points these days, every quest gives out ~3000exp and skill cap now gives max of 5000 exp. they also decreased the skill gain to 15000 exp( or 20000, can't remember) b4 the exp needed for skill gain steadly increased, even though that was no problem to the farmers.

jimmy_logic · May 20, 2006, 01:30 AM // 01:30

There is a current promotion that the Bank of Tyria and Bank of Cantha are running... they are offering MasterCards to approved applicants that come with 10 skills for free if used at a Skill Trainer carrying the MasterCard logo. There are other benefits to the card as well, such as up to 55days to pay for your purchases, buyer protection and acceptance where ever there is a MasterCard logo. To apply please talk to Registrar in Kaineng City or Lions Arch and he will provide you with an application form.

Mercury Angel · May 20, 2006, 02:07 AM // 02:07

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

nobody seems to remember when the price of skills WASNT capped a 1k and would keep rising per skill you bought....

Yes, but I doubt most people even managed to reach the 1k mark at that time due to the large amount of skills acquired by questing. And then, Capture Signets were half price as well.

The change in the skill pricing system has been a boot to the rear of the casual player, compounded by the change in the skill acquisition system.
Though, power gamers and people playing veteran characters do benefit from it.

Malice Black · May 20, 2006, 02:24 AM // 02:24

meh too much of this game is based round the "casual" player now

if u cant afford 1k then stop moaning about it on a forum and go do something about it

if Anet change anymore of this game to fit around the "casual" gamer then the old timers of this game including me will leave

ok random rant done

let the bitching continue

Sniper Assasin · May 20, 2006, 02:29 AM // 02:29

1k is not too much, but black dye is just ridiculous, i have not got a single drop and neither have my guildies(about 30) since factions have come out. The price has also risen to 8k, so if i want an assasin in all black, i have to fork out 40k for it. The weapon upgrades are through the roof as well.